Friday, June 17, 2011

US Bank Exposure to Greece, part 3

Tracy Alloway at the FT summarizes some of the push-back against the idea that US banks have substantial exposure to Greece:
Who’s selling Greek CDS, again

There appears to have been a massive amount of misunderstanding about recently published BIS statistics regarding US banks’ Greek exposures. The idea that US banks are on the hook for $32.7bn of CDS written on Greece was first expounded by the Street Light blog, then picked up by us (unfortunately), then spread to Fortune and onwards to markets. This week US bank stocks moved on the concern, apparently.

Anyway, the BIS statistics do not clearly lay out the amount of US banks’ Greek CDS exposure. Anyway, the BIS statistics do not clearly lay out the amount of US banks’ Greek CDS exposure...

If you want a summary version, here’s Nomura’s new banking analyst Glenn Schorr:

The U.S. banks and brokers sold off yesterday [Wednesday] over concerns around exposure to a potential Greek debt restructuring or default. The concern was driven by a BIS report published this month that shows that U.S. banks and brokers have written $32.7bn of credit guarantees (most likely CDS protection) on Greece. Unfortunately, this number is only half the story, as it shows gross protection written but does not show the net exposure of U.S. banks, meaning that any hedges or collateral that the U.S. banks may have in place is not being captured in this number. While there is definitely some Greek exposure in the U.S. system, we think net exposure at the large U.S. banks and brokers is a whole lot less than the $32.7bn.
While I agree that the BIS data does not tell us how much of the exposure is due to CDS contracts, I disagree that it can't be used to tell us the size of the US banking system's exposure to Greek debt. The whole point of the BIS statistics is to measure the ultimate risks that banks face, after all, and so they take great pains to ensure that the statistics reflect the net effective exposure faced by banks. As explained by the BIS in their guide to the international statistics (pdf):
The statistics mainly provide information on international financial claims of domestic bank head offices on a worldwide consolidated basis, ie including the exposures of own foreign offices but excluding inter-office positions. Currently they indicate the nature and extent of foreign claims of banks headquartered in 30 major financial centres. In contrast to the residence or balance of payments principle of the locational statistics, the reporting of consolidated positions offers a more useful measure of the total risk exposure of a reporting country’s banking system.

...Consolidated data based on the residence of the party ultimately responsible for the repayment of an obligation (ultimate risk basis) in addition to total claims based on the residence of the immediate borrower (contractual claims) are more compatible with information produced by banks’ own internal risk measurement systems and are considered a more appropriate measure of country risk exposure.
Regarding the specific question of whether the "guarantees" listed in the BIS data are net or gross exposures, the answer is more complicated than the one provided by the Nomura analyst above. This week I asked BIS for clarification on how they handle CDS data. The BIS has told me that when a bank writes a CDS contract selling default protection, the gross amount appears in the line "guarantees". So Schorr has that part of the story correct -- the guarantees are, in a sense, gross CDS exposures, because they are not offset by the protection purchased (if any) by the bank to hedge the risk it took by selling the protection.

However, that doesn't mean that the offsetting protection purchased by the bank is simply not counted. It will be counted either in the "derivatives contracts" line of the BIS statistics, or the "foreign claims" line of the BIS data. In either case, the protection purchased through ofsetting CDS contracts are counted in the BIS data, so that when you add together the direct + indirect exposures, you have netted out all countervailing CDS positions and have the final, true, net exposure faced by banks.

In other words, the BIS data does indeed represent true net exposure, and in the case of US banks that exposure is about $40 billion to Greece, on par with the exposure faced by banks in France and Germany. No, we don't know exactly how much of that takes the form of CDS contracts, but we do know that the exposure is there.

32 comments:

  1. Anonymous5:10 PM

    You are still getting this wrong. First, the derivatives part only includes the positive fair value of derivative contracts. Not the face value. Second, unless you are covering your own position (say holding a greek sovereign bond). A bank's net notional cds position will not be counted in the bis statistics. You would only have the credit protection sold (guarantees) and the positive fair value of the credit protection bought, but not the face value of the credit protection bought.

    ReplyDelete
  2. <p><span>From the "</span><span>Guide to the consolidated banking statistics". <span> </span></span>
    </p><p><span>"</span><span>As with the locational statistics, financial  claims should generally be reported on a GROSS </span><span>basis............</span><span> Financial claims resulting from </span><span>derivative contracts should be netted only for those contracts that are with the same </span><span>counterparty  and that are covered under a legally enforceable netting agreement. For all </span><span>other derivative contracts, the GROSS positive fair values must be reported. Negative market </span><span>values of derivative contracts are considered to represent financial liabilities and are </span><span>therefore excluded by definition from the reporting of financial claims."</span>
    </p>

    ReplyDelete
  3. <span>Also from "Highlights of the BIS international statistics"   
    "For example, the BIS consolidated banking statistics CAN BE USED to answer a question such as:   
    What are the exposures of banks headquartered in country X to country Y?   
    However, they CANNOT BE USED to answer a question such as:   
    How much would banks headquartered in country X lose in the event of a sovereign   
    restructuring in country Y?" </span>

    ReplyDelete
  4. Anonymous12:45 PM

    Guest, in the end of the day, the fair values of the CDS written and purchased an entity reflect, or are a function of the notional value (exposure) of the contracts. Are you saying that net amount given by BIS does or does not represent the true net potential loss in the event default/restructuring of the underlying bonds?

    ReplyDelete
  5. Guest8:57 PM

    Let's assume bank x does not have any direct exposure to the sovereign of country y. It sold cds with face value of $100 (at a premium of 100) with country y as the reference entity to a german bank. It also bought cds with a face value of $100 with the same German bank at a premium of 100. Suppose the premium goes up to 105. What this bank is going to report to the bis is the $100 of credit protection sold in guarantees vis-a-vis country y and the positive fair value of credit protection bought in the derivatives item vis-a-vis germany (note, the claim is not the face value of the credit protection bought, just the positive fair value, that is, it accounts for the counterparty credit risk). Thus, in this case the net notional amount of the cds transaction is not reported, just the gross protection sold and the positive fair value. Hope this clarifies your question.

    ReplyDelete
  6. Anonymous1:58 PM

    seems like people are finally beginning to realize how wrong the original report was

    ReplyDelete
  7. Anonymous2:04 PM

    i think people are finally getting it right, and guess what, with that number, it actually matches reasonably with DTCC data.  If gross amount is 78 billion on greece, it is easy to see that banks could have a 50% market share and have bought AND sold 40 billion of CDS on Greece, so minimal NET exposure, but a BIS reported Guarantee exposure.

    I hope a lot of people didn't lose too much money listening to the original, totally wrong claim of how much naked exposure u.s banks had

    ReplyDelete
  8. Anonymous2:39 PM

    Bernanke just pointed out the flaw in BIS data, Kash, please apologize for sending out such incorrect information and defending it

    ReplyDelete
  9. Anonymous2:46 PM

    Bernanke during his Q&A just said the BIS data was not helpful in determining exposure to Greece because the data doesn't reflect hedges!  You were correct, as were others who disagreed with the original post and its various attempts to repost and claim it is correct.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Anonymous11:30 AM

    Howdy! Quick question that's totally off topic. Do you know how to make your site mobile friendly? My site looks weird when browsing from my apple iphone. I'm trying
    to find a theme or plugin that might be able to correct this problem.
    If you have any recommendations, please share. Many thanks!


    Here is my web-site; bmi calculator female

    ReplyDelete
  11. Anonymous10:40 AM

    The video recording he has origin of marriage counseling is cash in hand.
    If you're dictated to not exclusively work at it, but quick to maintain be the one giving your mate what they demand. If you are worried more or less how your marriage counseling they should be uncoerced and prepared to put an try into saving their marriage and qualification their relationship better.

    Look at my web blog marriage conflict

    ReplyDelete
  12. Anonymous6:47 PM

    The owner decided after the event to donate half of the proceeds back to the students.
    I've played Nancy Drew for years and even her saccharine personality is more 3D than Lindsay or 'Linds') as she calls herself. I hope you have fun planing a birthday party for your tween, I hope my birthday party ideas for tween's helped
    you.

    Here is my weblog; desktop computers

    ReplyDelete
  13. Anonymous6:27 PM

    If all players are wrong the murderer gets away and
    everyone loses. At the end of the party all of the papers write down who they think was the prohibition agent.
    Cranberry studios developed this sequel while publisher Anaconda brings it
    to you in stores.

    Here is my page - apply for a credit card

    ReplyDelete
  14. Anonymous7:19 AM

    In this article I will teach you the basics of how to have fun
    learning your chords by playing out of a Fake
    Book. As an alternative, it will most likely
    be far more powerful for you to learn about audio and chord
    idea. The last type of chords we will discuss in this article are spread voicings.


    Here is my weblog: piano chords amazing grace

    ReplyDelete
  15. Anonymous1:08 AM

    DJ spins out on Saturday nights. I believe my exact words were "I don't want to be your dirty little secret. 8.

    Feel free to visit my web site - great pub Quiz names

    ReplyDelete
  16. Anonymous8:28 PM

    Hi just wanted to give you a quick heads up and
    let you know a few of the images aren't loading correctly. I'm not sure why but I think its a linking issue.
    I've tried it in two different browsers and both show the same outcome.

    My homepage: tusze

    ReplyDelete
  17. Anonymous7:39 PM

    Thank you a bunch for sharing this with all folks you actually recognize what you're talking about! Bookmarked. Please additionally discuss with my web site =). We may have a hyperlink alternate agreement between us

    My page :: tusze

    ReplyDelete
  18. Anonymous8:26 AM

    Going on a holiday cruise or for a great day at
    the beach, women beach accessories enhance their visit.
    They are comfortable, they do not get too hot,
    they provide protection from various hazards such as my gravel road,
    and unlike some competitors they are not prone to smelling bad.
    A really great way to make this work -- if the store allows it -- is to couple
    sale items with coupons, for even greater savings.

    Feel free to surf to my homepage ... water shoes

    ReplyDelete
  19. Anonymous1:36 PM

    Sweеt blοg! Ӏ fоund it whіle surfіng
    arounԁ on Yаhoο Νews. Do you have аny
    tips on hοw tο get listed іn Үahoo Νews?
    І've been trying for a while but I never seem to get there! Thanks

    My website diy hcg

    ReplyDelete
  20. Anonymous3:35 AM

    When it comes to local internet marketing services and using internet
    marketing services so that it can achieve popularity in major search engines web
    bot spiders requirements will help your business with authenticity.


    Look at my webpage: search engine optimization

    ReplyDelete
  21. Anonymous10:50 AM

    squares with various tea leaves and tea flavors inside each
    square. Unfortunately for me as an addict, I need my crime fix.

    At each house you have the hostess serve something small
    to eat, and host a small game.

    Feel free to surf to my website loan calculator

    ReplyDelete
  22. Anonymous5:47 AM

    The owner decided after the event to donate half of the proceeds back to the students.
    Even Halloween parties with the very best Halloween costumes
    can get dry after everyone's seen the costumes to be seen and passed out the candy to the beggars. Now, one of my co-workers was applying to the Secret Service and I knew that I was down as a reference for her.

    my web site :: Portland hotels

    ReplyDelete
  23. Anonymous2:11 AM

    If you want to get a good deаl from this paragraph then you haνe to apply thеse technіqueѕ to
    уouг won web site.

    Also visit my web page; weight loss hcg
    My web site :: weight loss shots hcg

    ReplyDelete
  24. Anonymous8:19 PM

    Contact Kayak Fishing Fever today by calling 518-368
    8332. There is a trade-off however that needs to be discussed.
    Kayaks can also be classified as ocean kayaks, Hobie kayaks, river kayaks, and tandem kayaks.


    Stop by my web blog individual health insurance

    ReplyDelete
  25. Anonymous6:39 AM

    The only hurdle to accessing this is of course human limitations and the fact that the brain does not function solely as a learning
    tool for the human being. Brazenhead is a great place to go with your family or for a business
    lunch or dinner, but if you are looking for a party atmosphere, this isn't it. They feature almost nightly drink specials and some form of entertainment every night of the week--DJ's,
    live music, trivia, you name it.

    Here is my site :: pub quiz area

    ReplyDelete
  26. Anonymous8:01 AM

    Narrow blood vessels lie alongside the intestines of the earthworm and they absorb the nutrients from the alimentary canal feeding the rest of
    the body. Anna had been looking through my phone while I was naked.
    8.

    Here is my web blog - best pub quiz team names

    ReplyDelete
  27. Anonymous12:42 PM

    In other words, they go against the grain of the careers their
    parents had. Popular prizes include sports tickets, cash and vouchers for drinks, food - and dollars off of tabs.
    The Bull's Head Pub, Bangkok.

    my website ... pub quiz archive

    ReplyDelete
  28. Anonymous1:13 PM

    The only hurdle to accessing this is of course human limitations and the fact that the brain
    does not function solely as a learning tool for the human being.

    At the end of each round read out the cumulative
    scores. 8.

    My homepage ... free pub quiz answers

    ReplyDelete
  29. Anonymous2:03 PM

    In other words, they go against the grain of the careers their parents had.
    Brazenhead is a great place to go with your family or for a business lunch or dinner, but if you are looking
    for a party atmosphere, this isn't it. Her father, Bruce Paltrow, produced the critically acclaimed TV series that is considered the precursor to many medical shows today, St.

    Also visit my website - fun pub quiz names

    ReplyDelete
  30. Anonymous9:51 AM

    DJ spins out on Saturday nights. * Team answer sheets - Basically a grid lined A4 type sheet with answer write in numbered boxes and a line on top for the team name.
    28.

    my site ... pub quiz anagrams []

    ReplyDelete
  31. Anonymous8:13 AM

    Also, we need to determine the rounds of the quiz according to it.
    You must definitely be planning to make it special and memorable by keeping a good theme, ordering the best food and choosing the
    best games. The food is decent and the drink specials
    on Tuesdays include $2.

    My site: best pub quiz names

    ReplyDelete
  32. Anonymous3:07 PM

    In that case, this kind of question should not be taken
    from any show telecasted in specific country. Below are listed a few popular pubs where one can chill
    in Mumbai. Her father, Bruce Paltrow, produced the critically acclaimed TV series that is considered the
    precursor to many medical shows today, St.

    Here is my website - pub quiz and answers

    ReplyDelete